Two sides of the irreducible complexity argument: dhw Pt1 (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 17:35 (5335 days ago) @ David Turell

David:
Okay so I lied, I DO have something to say here.
> > > > The waters get even more cloudy when we add in evolutionary computer sims; in short randomness DOES give rise to ordered structures. (DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying that computer sims provide evidence for or against a creator, only that order can come from chaos without any intervention beyond pressing "play.")
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> Perhaps the universal intelligence set it up that way. You math folks have pointed out that simple math and theoretical math seems to have a reality of its own. And points out that math reaches into all sorts of natural geography and biology: fractals for forestry (dendrology); for coastlines; etc.-This is why my friends hate me so much: I'll often sound contradictory.-Though there are truths uncovered by mathematics (precious few) at what point can we say that we have found a truth, vs. simply writing a phenomenon into mathematical language? One view of mathematics (George's I'll bet) states that all of mathematics is simply a human language applied to the outside world as any other language. As I have often said, "What great feat is it to say that the most precise language we have developed describes things precisely?"

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