Bacterial motors carefully studied (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, April 09, 2016, 12:46 (3150 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I don't know how cell communities manage to reorganize themselves in order to produce something new. ... To sum it up: nobody knows how speciation takes place. That is why people come up with different theories.
DAVID: You are again ignoring a non-theoretical point. The 'landscape concept' must enter into thinking about how speciation occurs. We are allowed to think about it. Speciation must involve new molecules and new arrangements, and planning. But it involves putting together a jig-saw puzzle with no picture to guide you and pieces with fuzzy edges. All of this is not a theory, but a salient point as to how difficult speciation is, and therefore some mechanism must exist to solve the problem. You and I can argue about the possibilities of mechanism, but 'landscape' never goes away.-I keep pointing out that speciation is so difficult that NOBODY knows how it happens, and I keep agreeing with you that it involves new molecules (though I prefer to talk more generally about cells) and new arrangements, and innovation by definition cannot have a pre-existing picture, and thank you for acknowledging that some mechanism must exist to solve the problem. That is my whole point. There has to be a mechanism, but we don't know what it is. You think your God personally “guided” (by preprogramming or direct dabbling) every single innovation, new lifestyle and new natural wonder, all for the sake of humans. I suggest he may have created an autonomous inventive mechanism. Those are alternative solutions to the problem. Why do you have to keep telling me there is a problem?-dhw: And I know you can't see beyond your own interpretation of God's thinking..... Since the latter is your fixed belief, of course you can't imagine any other hypothesis having validity.-DAVID: You are still arguing mechanism. I'm simply presenting a legitimate issue on the point that a speciation mechanism must not be blinded but somehow forward looking, nothing further. Once that is noted, then mechanism can be hypothesized.
-It has been noted. Many times. And having noted it, I have hypothesized an autonomous, intelligent, inventive mechanism, possibly designed by your God, as opposed to the preprogramming/dabbling hypothesis summarized above.