Bacterial motors carefully studied (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, April 08, 2016, 02:49 (3151 days ago) @ dhw

Dhw: The fourth possibility for how evolution works (as opposed to how it all started) - which you now refuse even to include in your list - is that organisms have the autonomous power, whether God-given or not, to innovate, their purpose being to survive and/or improve.
> DAVID: That possibility I've agreed to but I view it as part of God's guidance because I only see it as having guidelines.
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> dhw: The fourth possibility is WITHOUT guidelines. The fact that you disagree with it (just as you disagree with the chance hypothesis) does not mean you can leave it out!-Well you agree with the chance issue, but refuse to look closely at the 'landscape' problem of how to pick out the right new molecules and the right arrangement of those molecules. Either the IM must know them in advance or be instructed about them in advance. Your hypothesis just assumes there is a mechanism that can handle this issue. There is no way around this objection. But something must solve it for species to advance to the next step of complexity. For me that is implanted guidance.-> 
> dhw: Of course the problems are real, and that is why my autonomous inventive mechanism remains a hypothesis, just like chance, separate creation, and your divine “guidance” (= preprogramming and/or dabbling). There is no evidence for any of them. The admission that God might do it is hardly “anything but God”. I see a theistic mind saying 'nothing but MY god', while not admitting that God might think differently!-I come back to the same problem: who or what picks the new molecules/arrangement for the new species? The gaps are there. For me if God doesn't do it or arrange for it, it can't happen (the gaps). I don't see the comment about God thinking having validity beyond His choice of using evolution or creating humans.