Bacterial motors carefully studied (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, April 01, 2016, 16:37 (3158 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: To me that offers God first with my favorite pre-planning concept, i.e., God set up initial patterns of form in living animals and plants, and designed organic chemistry in planned molecules for easier methods for advances appearing.[/i]
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> dhw: I discussed structuralism and functionalism in my last post, but am interested in your “planned molecules for easier methods for advances appearing”. Easier than what? (See below) ......-Without getting into the intricacies of organic chemistry, remember that proteins vital to life are large collections of amino acids folded certain ways. It appears those folds and shapes follow certain patterns which make it easier to modify the proteins necessary for change as new adaptations appear. The landscapes of probably useful proteins runs to hundreds of thousands. But only a relatively few are chosen and can be altered in patterns. The idea of looking at a landscape is a favorite thought of ID folks. Just image an inventor looking out at a landscape of proteins and wondering which one to precisely pick for the next improvement. This is why they quote such big odds, but with patterns in the molecules the odds are much lower to find the 'right' molecule. The Denton argument gets back to structuralism theory. He spends four dense pages on this point. To me it fits the idea that God started with easy plans and patterns.- 
> David's comment: How is a natural process of evolution able to invent such complex solutions better than thinking humans seem able to do? Possibly a better mind behind it all.
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> dhw: Not necessarily a better mind, but perhaps different minds. .....Yes, we've been over this again and again, but so long as you revert to your favourite divine "pre-planning concept", I will revert to my alternative! It's called an “agnostic balance of nature”.-Yes, over again and again. I am incredulous that evolution can advance because the organisms are so inventive in and of themselves. This is why I constantly present newly-discovered amazing inventions of nanomachines, etc., and other anatomic structures. But I've run into your brick wall. You are convinced that such complexities can be easily invented by the organisms themselves. I'm convinced it ain't so easy! Denton is like you. He wants 'laws of nature' to do it. Each of you agnostics look for 'outs'. And then you give the opinion Denton hasn't added anything! But neither have you. I'm sure you like answers just as I do. You just won't take (faith) the logical one. Remember no proof is allowed!