The real discussion: Values (Humans)
Romansh: I can ask questions of "your experiences" and your responses are material in both senses of the word. And despite David's (what are for me poorly thought out objections) I could get material responses from various physical aspects of these thoughts and feelings that originate in the brain.-Of course what we experience as consciousness is based on material neurons, hormones, shifts in blood flow, but that does not explain the experience itself, which you consider an illusion. Nagel does not. > > Romansh: Let me tell you a story ... after my son died eight years ago I experienced intense grief, as one would expect. The thought crossed my mind that evolution had endowed us with the capacity to experience grief. Not for one moment did I doubt that the biochemistry that was raging through my body was somehow immaterial.-I've lost a son also, with the same result as yours. Of course the material biochemistry underlay it. The experienced grief was immaterial.
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