The real discussion: Values (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, December 27, 2015, 23:54 (3252 days ago) @ David Turell

Ultimate truth? No. I'm not willing to accept this. I'm with you. -However, we DO have the power for universally agreed upon truth... to me, this is the end goal of science. This isn't meant to silence divergent views, only to reinforce that science is currently assuming its proper function: As an intellectual organ designed to ensure its own evolution. -> > Matt: So perhaps if we laid bare our "first principles," in regards to why we hold particular values that lie at the ROOT of our debates, we could expose those things that if exposed to light, could extinguish darkness and actually cause us to change our minds?
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> We are what we have become through our own inventions for our career in life. I know it is more complicated than that. I've opened up a little of mine as a background to the discussion you are beginning. Lead on!-I'm hesitant here... I don't agree that our career does, or should play such a prominent role in who we are as humans. This is because my career, puts me at odds thinking about all the ways a person can negatively affect society and attack other human beings. -This can't possibly reflect reality. Just as how law enforcement doesn't have a great view of humanity, I think placing that much faith in one's occupation is more room to try and neglect your own perspectives of life based on your career... kind of off topic, but I think we ought to avoid our career's insights here, as opposed to embracing them. -I don't handle compliments well, so I'll just say thank you, and that at some point we should have this talk around a fire, where compliments belong... incisive maybe, aggressive and flawed? Always.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"