What makes life vital (Introduction)
Tony: Information does not create life any more than the mechanical processes do. Even if you had all of the information, and all of the necessary mechanics in place, you would still have nothing but a corpse. Without that penultimate 'spark' of life, our bio-mechanical machinery is not alive. That is ultimately where all of the reductionalist/naturalist theories fail. It is not that they can't explain the machinery, it's that they can't explain the spark.-DAVID: I agree with you in that technically a corpse still contains all the information that created life, but a corpse cannot read that information and therefore is dead. The 'spark' comes from the union of sperm and egg, which is two living items coming from two living sources. Thus life begets life and it is a continuum. The 'spark', as you put it, began 3.6-3.8 billion years ago and is not extinguished as yet. That is the true concept. Life appeared and hasn't left, and chance can't create that 'spark'. And the current so-called research into the OOL is doomed to failure, because human scientists can put together the chemicals, as Tony points out, but life will not appear. Still the same old rule. Only life makes life. -Tony began by saying he thought you had missed the mark, and the argument that life begets life still doesn't explain life, any more than the union of sperm and egg explains life. I would like to highlight what Tony says, because it is so important: “It is not that they can't explain the machinery, it's that they can't explain the spark.” And I would apply that both to life and to thought, with emphasis on the fact that scientists can explain the machinery by which organisms operate, but they cannot explain the cognitive, decision-making, communicative skills of those organisms, ranging from the simplest to the most complex.
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