An attack on modern science (The limitations of science)
dhw: What appeals to me is that there is no beginning. You and I have agreed on a first cause, which is energy. In your case the energy is conscious, and I have suggested that conscious energy would not have spent eternity twiddling its metaphorical thumbs but would likely have created a whole succession of universes. In the second scenario of non-conscious energy, if it can mindlessly create one universe by turning itself into matter, it can mindlessly create a succession of universes the same way. Since the first cause has to be eternal, theoretically you can have an infinite succession of universes. And the more universes you have, the shorter the odds against one of them finally and randomly producing the conditions for life. I'd have thought this would appeal to George!-It doesn't appeal to me because I have an aversion to infinity. Whenever infinity appears in any physical explanation it is indicative of an error. There is no such thing as "eternity". Time and Space have a common zero point (I avoid calling it a "beginning"). There was never any 'before' or 'outside' of the universe. This is obvious when you realise that the universe is everything, by definition.
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GPJ
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