Negative atheism? (Introduction)

by David Turell , Friday, December 19, 2014, 23:53 (3626 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained
edited by David Turell, Saturday, December 20, 2014, 00:09


> Tony: "No Thing" does not have an existence, much less multiple co-existences. Sorry, this does not pass the something from nothing test.-And they drag in symmetry breaking with nothing there to break. Penrose in The Road to Reality, page 643, discusses this in terms of asymmetric particles. I think particles are something. I realize nothingness is symmetrical. How do you break it? What is there to break? From page 24-29 of my book, The Atheist Delusion, I have a list of quotes from four different commentators, including philosophers of science, who scoff at the idea of something from nothing. George's quoted site is a tortured attempt.-This reads like a spoof of science that got past peer review:-"According to the newly suggested theory, CEN, in the beginning there was nothing - no material, no energy, no space and no time. This situation was fully symmetric with no entropy. Therefore, this initial state was allegedly static, with no motive for change.-"In terms of information, ‘nothing' is equivalent to an infinite number of simultaneous Nullifying Information Elements (NIEs) - information elements that co-exist simultaneously and cancel each other. Each such element represents either a being - existence of something, or the cancellation of that existence, no-being. In information terms, such NIEs resemble the notion of “bits.” For convenience, we will use this term throughout the paper, while naming the information element that represents existence as bit+ and the one that represents no-existence as bit?. The number of bits of each type is infinite. Each bit+ element can co-exist simultaneously with each bit? element, or equivalently, can co-exist with all of the bit? elements with an equal probability, and vice versa. To illustrate the above notion, an infinite number of simultaneous, co-existing, bit+ elements and bit? elements are illustrated in Fig. 2."-The real issue they bring in is that the universe requires initial information and in Christianity those folks bring it is as "The Word".