Negative atheism? (Introduction)
Right in the section titled "In the beginning", the paper nullifies its own basic premise.- "According to the newly suggested theory, CEN, in the beginning there was nothing - no material, no energy, no space and no time. This situation was fully symmetric with no entropy. Therefore, this initial state was allegedly static, with no motive for change.-In terms of information, ‘nothing' is equivalent to an infinite number of simultaneous Nullifying Information Elements (NIEs) - information elements that co-exist simultaneously and cancel each other. Each such element represents either a being - existence of something, or the cancellation of that existence, no-being. In information terms, such NIEs resemble the notion of “bits.”"-A bit is information. Essentially, they are saying that "in the beginning there was a bunch of "bits" information that canceled each other out."-And again in section 2:-"The co-existence of opposite nullifying elements derives a matching necessity within the compendium of simultaneous NIEs. Any specific match of opposite NIEs would influence other matches, by reducing the set of available matching options. Assuming an infinite amount of NIEs of each type, each group of elements of the same type remains equivalent with the potential addition of several other elements."-"No Thing" does not have an existence, much less multiple co-existences. Sorry, this does not pass the something from nothing test.
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What is the purpose of living? How about, 'to reduce needless suffering. It seems to me to be a worthy purpose.
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