Hitchens addresses Intelligent Design (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, October 22, 2012, 02:22 (4393 days ago) @ dhw

Dhw and David:-There is a riddle in David's choice to choose, at least from an outsiders perspective. -He claims to on some level, be at the same base: we start at nothing, observe and think.-Yet he is different than us, in that he admits in his book, he feels compelled to choose. Attempting to enter the thoughts of any man--much less a dear friend--is always dangerous.-But I can't divorce myself from the compulsory thought that there is a presumption of God from the beginning. If we started out as agnostics, and I mean from the first sentient caveman: the idea "god" could never take hold. In fact, the idea of skepticism is pretty recent in human history. The idea of agnosticism, younger yet.-This says, that it is immensely difficult to reach the point of an agnostic to begin with: we inherit the idea of "god" from our culture, society and parents. -That's why its *impossible* for me to make that jump: I can't help but presume that *any* judgment I have about God didn't come from some kind of social compunction.-Dhw's reasons may differ, but my *will to truth* demands that the case must be as *iron clad* as 1 + 1 = 2

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"