Free Will, Consciousness, Identity (Identity)
by xeno6696 
, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, July 12, 2012, 17:50 (4305 days ago) @ David Turell
If you watch your thoughts carefully, I have extreme doubts that you are actually *thinking* three things at once. Everyone else's experience seems to be "There might be 3 things going on, but I'm only 'hearing' one." > > You have made very good points and cleared up my thinking. Having never meditated, with no desire to do so, I've read about it, but I'm sure I do not undestand what you have felt. I'll be guided by your experience. I'll accept that over fMRI's any day. Thank you. > > However, your definition of 'free' and mine must differ. you say no free will because we can only do one mental thing at a time. but I know I freely skip from one thought to another. I know I can choose not to think. As an older person I have trouble sleeping. I must carefully turn my brain off in the middle of the night to get back to sleep. If I seem to control my own thoughts, am I not free?-NO I am NOT saying "no free will." I'm saying, that the the question "Do I have free will" is utterly irrelevant in the first place. I don't know if you've been paying attention to my exchanges with dhw, but *because* we can only *will* one thing at a time, and we cannot *ever* tell the difference between a "free" and "unfree" action, the entire question is really pointless.
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
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