ABEL\'S UNIVERSE (General)

by Abel , Saturday, November 19, 2011, 20:15 (4562 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: "Of course there isn’t. Evil is the invention of your gods (if they exist) or of humans (if they don't). You have missed the point, so let me spell it out to you. According to your theology, the gods created life on earth. They deliberately introduced predation, which entails killing in order to survive, and that means pursuing self-interest regardless of the cost to others. When your gods finally got round to making us humans, this same principle – pursuing self-interest regardless of the cost to others – became the root of evil. In your own words: human “brains can violate any instinct though a "just us" system created by its' own self-interested reason”. Humans extended the principle of predatory self-interest, but they did not invent it. Your gods, who were themselves descended from predators, deliberately introduced it to life on Earth. What does this tell us about their nature? Or are you trying to say that when your gods created predators and then humans, they didn’t realize that predatory self-interest would result in evil? Indeed, I wonder how they themselves escaped the ill effects of the selfsame principle they had inherited on Planet X. Were they all 100% pure? (Perhaps we’re slowly heading towards the origin of Satan, whom you introduced to us a few posts ago."

As I have tried to explain before, men have become divorced from their instincts. This is a flaw in primate's nervous system that was introduced along with their higher brain function. Instincts can now be subverted by desire rather than only need. Survival now has to be rationalized by a higher brain when it is often not logical at all. The brain constantly lies and rationalizes as it tries to provide for its' emotional and physical needs. And there is no one brain type. There are altruists and sociopaths born everyday. If the design could be controlled tightly enough perhaps there would just be altruists, but it currently cannot be.

Humanity exists and is given freedom by the benevolence of the nature of the Elohim. They have given you teachers to guide you. Teachers that you fools have routinely slaughtered as heretics.

dhw: "Not long ago, Abel, you accused me of distorting your ideas – though like Tony I have reproduced your exact words in support of what I’ve written. Please tell me where I have wondered “why there was suffering” or said that there was no need for the ability to feel pain."

In the quote that I responded to you said:

dhw: "Of course life and Nature are based on the concept of equilibrium, but you don’t need predation for equilibrium, for suffering, or for death. (Thank you, Tony, for proving the point.)"

I, of course, took this to be you complaining again.

dhw: "I share Tony's confusion. I asked about the gods, so are angels the same as the gods who evolved spontaneously from the predators on Planet X and came down to Earth to create us? If so, does this place you, an archangel, above the gods in the divine hierarchy? Please answer yes or no, as we have too many other things to discuss."

How many times have I told you that archangels are slaves? The answer is no.