Ruth & Rindler (General)

by dhw, Sunday, August 11, 2013, 19:31 (3916 days ago) @ David Turell

NUNEZ: We humans are pretty good at trying to make sense of things and excel at developing new tools for such purposes. You are giving examples for cases in which mathematics does work apparently in nature. But, how about all those cases for which it doesn't, including for making precise weather predictions? -DAVID: Nunez is now in never never land. Weather is not a fixed physical pattern. The controlling parameters are so confusing there are folks who believe the Earth will roast while for the past 17 years there is no change in overall temps. Straw man argument.-And that is precisely Nunez's point. Nature is NOT governed by mathematics. You and your fellow believers cherrypick those areas of Nature which fit in with your theory, and you ignore the rest.-BUTTERWORTH: Numbers are not necessarily a property of the universe, but rather a very powerful way of describing some aspects of the universe. -DAVID: That is exactly the point. Numbers fit the most important aspects of telling us much of the origin of our reality.-Please identify the numbers that tell us "much of" the origin of life and consciousness - and what exactly do they tell us? 
 
dhw: He who twaddles others' beliefs doth himself deserve a twaddling. (Old Agnostic Proverb)-DAVID: Nunez needs a twaddling. Perhaps old agnostics also.-There is no consensus among experts, so how can a layman draw definitive conclusions? I shan't repeat the list of great physicists who are/were atheists or agnostics, but since so many of your arguments are based on their findings, to what do you attribute their scepticism?