Ruth & Rindler (General)

by David Turell , Wednesday, August 07, 2013, 15:18 (3920 days ago) @ dhw


> DAVID: There is a major difference. First of all, Ruth is saying that the Heisenberg 'layer' of reality (HLR)is not our reality. Our spacetime is intimately connected to this other layer, but separate from it. The HLR is quantum energy in many possible potentialities, all interconnected. This is why spookiness at a distance works faster than the speed of light. In the HLR there is no need for speed of light.
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> dhw: My reference to everyday perception is an analogy which you've taken out of context, because I go on to relate it to Ruth's claim in her Rindler section that her theory makes "the problem evaporate" ... i.e. that of the subjectivism of interpretation and the possibility that quanta do not exist. I can't follow the reasoning behind her claim. All the same, the discussion you're having with BBella may be more fruitful than my questions for Ruth in illuminating the relationship between QM reality and that of our own world.
> dhw: BBella asks in what way QM reality is separate from ours. Maybe the answer is that it's not. Maybe we simply have no way of reaching beyond our subjective perceptions, and so at least for now we have no way of grasping all the realities around us. But animal perceptions show clearly that there are realities beyond those we ourselves can perceive, and perhaps (very tentative!) these may also be emissions absorbed by a "mysterious extra sense" in some humans that underlies what we call psychic experiences. Is that what you're getting at, BBella?-I've retained all of the above because the answer to your problem is contained in the discussion and in the mathematician's comment I just reproduced.(2013-08-07, 15:02) Quanta exist, but are undescribable in their totality with our current senses. Therefore, we can only nibble at thier properties, eventually see all of the reality one bite at a time. Most of the incongruities are obviated by Ruth's approach. They are all interconnected and reacting together at random in their on realm.