Can\'t avoid a creation (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, January 15, 2012, 12:51 (4697 days ago) @ David Turell

MATT: If it is even possible to prove that the universe must have a beginning, you still don't have a good recourse to say when exactly that was.

DAVID: I understand that. But a beginning suggests some kind of creation from ?, whatever.

We are back to the first cause argument, which I still consider to be words without substance. If this universe had a beginning (e.g. the big bang), what went bang? There is absolutely no way anyone can possibly prove that nothing preceded the coming into being of our universe (assuming it has not been here forever), and the first cause argument that a cosmic mind - a Creator - has always existed (and has been consciously producing new forms) is no more feasible than the first cause argument that mindless cosmic energy has always existed (and has been mindlessly producing new forms). Round we go!