Thomas Kuhn revisited; for Matt especially (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 03:41 (4743 days ago) @ David Turell

If you watched the entire 20min, I don't think he's gullible at all. I don't buy the conspiracy theory.

But about the discussion about those fraudulent emails, he explains everything surrounding them and on why those two emails (touted by some of the same experts mentioned above) don't suggest a mass conspiracy.

Where's the conspiracy, David?

The conspiracy is a combination of points: The grants that Mann and others get, the billions the third world wants and the phony IPCC with all of its errors and faked data. Maybe conspiracy is the wrong word by definition, but politics and money have gotten some interesting bedfellows in the same boat.

All I'm saying is this: Accusations of fraud in the science have been flying around for at least 6 years, with no real fruit. Scientists are really good at tearing each other down.

Let's not also forget the cloning hoax.

So Mann gets a grant of 3.0M. How much of that pays his mortgage? How much of it for further research? I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure there's rules in place to prevent you from using grant money to buy yourself nice things. I know at UNMC we had to keep grant money separate for those researchers working on embryonic cell lines due to Bush's archaic prohibitions. So... to me the argument of "There's a lot of money" doesn't really ring true. Where's all the evidence of corrupted spending that you would expect?

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Public money requires auditors.

Obviously it doesn't always work, but military contractors often face a cut of funding when research doesn't pan out.

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\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"