Regression to something (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, September 04, 2011, 16:20 (4808 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Matter is energy on the outside, mind is energy on the inside to quote MY philosophy prof. All matter is really energy in different forms. Alan Guth cannot be ignored. He claims that this universe is 'something from nothing'. He explains that if one adds up all the forms of energy, positive and negative in our universe, the total answer one reaches is zero!-This sure makes the Big Bang a creation. The UI is pure energy and has existed forever into the past. -All of this reasoning is what has made the theoretical cosmologists conjure up, impossible to prove, multiverses to get rid of the supernatural God idea.
Your rump is the closest part of your body to my way of thinking. That fence of yours is really pure energy, thanks to the UI.-First of all, let me put on my theist hat, because I really dislike the word "supernatural". It has far too many woolly associations, and it also presupposes a complete knowledge of Nature. Let me repeat, then, that if there is a God who designed our world, that to me indicates science and not magic. "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life" sounds like a wooj-wooj, but you yourself have pointed out again and again that life is a carefully planned, scientific design.
 
I am, I must confess, completely bewildered by your equation: all positive + all negative forms of energy = 0, therefore the Big Bang was a creation. Presumably all those non-believing professional physicists and cosmologists don't understand it either. -I'm not sure why you call both the UI and my fence "pure" energy (I wouldn't dare apply the epithet to my rump). "All matter is really energy in different forms." OK, then, let's agree that energy "has existed forever into the past". That doesn't make it a conscious intelligence. Your philosophy prof at least seems to have distinguished between these DIFFERENT forms of energy, but once we accept the distinction between mind and matter, we go straight back to square one. Did energy in the form of matter precede energy in the form of mind, or vice versa? Round and round we go...That's philosophy for you.-******-I shall be away until Thursday, and will catch up when I get back.