Feeling Reality (General)
> I needn't put the case for design, because you argue it better than anyone I know. The first cause, as I see it, might be an impersonal, non-conscious universe which, by chance, has spawned life as we know it. The first cause you believe in is a living force which has an intelligence infinitely greater and more complex than our own, and which was not designed. If you can believe in that form of non-designed, conscious, intelligent life, you might just as well believe in the equally inconceivable non-design of the lesser living force (us). Won't you join me on the fence?-The first issue to consider is the famous Leibnitz' question, "Why is there anything?" Logically if there was no beginning to anything, there should be nothing. But there is something: this universe and perhaps others, so there is a beginning unless we assume that the present universe(s) (is)are eternal. Now we seem to know that there was a Big Bang, that began this universe, and if there are other unverses they also presumably are the result of Bangs. Either they came out of nowhere, or there was a cause. If the cause was a quantum event(s), then we have to go back to quanta also being there in an eternal state. What caused them? Thus we come to the consideration, either there was a first cause or quanta are eternal, and where did they come from? As a result, it is either turtles all the way down, or there has to be a first cause. I don't think we can shake off Aristotle. -If there is something eternal, and we see a complicated reality, more than likely the first cause is eternal and is complicated, i.e., a universal intelligence. And I would propose that it prefers to be hidden behind the wall of quantum uncertainty. Quanta undergird whatever it is that exists in the reality we see. Everywhere we look in our reality is coded information with underlying quanta. It is not hard to move to the next step: the UI is in the energy form of a quantum computer utilizing quantum entanglement faster than the speed of light. And so I have returned to my philosophy professor's declaration: "matter is energy on the outside, and mind is energy on the inside."-The question ,'who caused the first cause', will remain a mystery. Why is there anything will remain as a mystery. But there is something, and the odds favor design, the odds gradually increasing with the development of more and more scientific discoveries of how complex life is. This is an argument from complexity, not incredulity.
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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David Turell,
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dhw,
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2011-02-13, 23:34
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2011-02-16, 21:26
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BBella,
2011-02-18, 22:58
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BBella,
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2011-02-17, 16:43
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David Turell,
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xeno6696,
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dhw,
2011-02-17, 11:13
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George Jelliss,
2011-02-17, 19:23
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David Turell,
2011-02-18, 01:39
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David Turell,
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