beliefs are the root cause of agony (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, February 08, 2011, 16:11 (5016 days ago) @ romansh

One measure of nondeterminism is the amount by which a subject is predictable.
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> Is this true of chaotic systems?
> And if so, what do you mean by non determinism?-Romansh, are you trying to play games with me? -First, Chaos theory has an unknowable role in what we're discussing here; and it is used to explain systems that we would think are chaotic and non-deterministic but actually are deterministic, such as how a drop of food coloring disperses in water, or clouds. Write the paper that demonstrates that the mind IS simply a chaotic system, and prepare your flight to Sweden.-Some plain examples. I spent 8 years in healthcare, and there is some interesting ideas I will bring up here. -Take OCD patients. These are the closest to what you would expect a "non free will" person to be. However the telling fact--is that when they are engaging in their behaviors, they know that it is not THEM that is in control. One gentleman explained it to me that it's like watching someone else grab a hold of the steering wheel of a car. -What is telling to me, is that he is aware that he's being controlled. He knows that his body is acting against his will. -Neurosurgeons report similar behavior. You've heard of minor experiments where the Doctor will apply an electrode to a patient's brain, and can say, make them feel emotions such as anger. The interesting thing about this is that the subjects can tell the difference between what is coming from the electrode and what is coming from themselves. -In other words the mind is fully aware that it is being intruded upon. In BOTH cases. One is being overridden internally, the other is being acted upon externally. -The suggestion that man does not have Free Will needs to be able to explain how a person can distinguish between something they mean to do and do perform, and something that they are willing themselves not to do--and they perform anyway by compulsion. Of what utility is this ability if not for free will?

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"