A new model for building AI (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, November 22, 2010, 00:48 (5115 days ago) @ dhw

MATT: Yet, you forget the most prescient analysis from Kurzweil; AI may become superfluous because it will soon be possible to extent human consciousness with that of the mechanical...think of processors and computer memory installed within the human brain!!! This scenario ... in my mind more probable ... and what do you think of human consciousness then?
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> This is precisely the scenario I was envisaging when I wrote about organic humans being "subjected to technological implants", with their behaviour being dictated by technology and not by their personal identity. It's scary enough that an engineer several thousand miles away can tap into my computer even now and take it over. The same thing could be done with a computer implanted in the brain. It's nightmarish but utterly plausible, and poses a threat to our individual autonomy. Human consciousness can be manipulated psychologically (e.g. with propaganda) and also physiologically (e.g. with drugs), but technological manipulation may well be the greatest threat. Even without implants, technology is affecting the way our brains work. How many young people nowadays are capable of the simplest mental arithmetic? However, I don't quite know how to answer your question because I'm not sure I understand what point you're trying to make! Sorry.
> -As someone who pays attention to computer security, there's plenty of reasons in my mind not to augment say, computational abilities into the brain. Memory would be one thing. -> 
> MATT: If you see the movie AI ... and I hope you do ... watch how your emotions react to the 'lost child' of the story. If machines interacted with men in this fashion, I predict that man would over-moralize to the point of effeminacy; the society that would invariably evolve around such a monstrosity as that child would undoubtedly be one in which man would lose his autonomy...we would have to all become Jainists in order to survive!
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> I haven't seen the film AI, but will look out for it. It's not clear to me, however, why an android would lead to us all becoming Jainists. Wouldn't the android be a special case, to be considered on a par with humans, while every other form of life remains the same? If so, won't our attitude towards the rest of life also remain the same?-Maybe it won't happen for you, but for me, the nurturing side of me comes out in spades in the course of the movie, and its precisely because the machine is a child. If one were to logically extract forward, imagine if an adult would beat the child 'machine.' Technically, its a machine. It also cries out in pain and acts just like a real child... What then do you think our society would say about abusing these machines? To what extent are they "real," considering that we cannot even verify experience? I'm not going to be as extreme as Martin as to suggest that these are only mimics and nothing else, but I think this scenario raises interesting points. Would we treat them as animals or as people?

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