building AI: never with consciousness (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, May 26, 2015, 23:59 (3468 days ago) @ David Turell

I agree with Bishop and Penrose. Great computation no free-floating productive thought.:
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> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26716-fear-artificial-stupidity-not-artificial-in... -I guess I'm here to muddy the waters a bit. -Yes, every (non-viral) program can only execute within its narrow confines. -I'll challenge: Same with us. There's never been a real example, in my estimation, of a human being that has quite literally come up with some idea completely from scratch. What do I mean?-If you study the history of religions, we started with animism, and ended up penultimately converging (worldwide) to a mix of pantheism and monotheism. Animism... well we observed nature, and realized we were a part of it--and more importantly, we realized that things happened that we couldn't directly control. So we worshipped the spirits of the trees and animals. There's no great leap here. Even when we leap to the Pythagoreans... their spiritual world was still bound by the limits of human thought: and the same is true today.-The history of human thought is a slow evolution of one idea leading into the next, sometimes coming full circle, sometimes finding a new plateau, but never... anything new.-How is that any different than a limited computer program? Sure, our program might be the cardinal product of every chemical reaction in our bodies, but because we're run by chemistry... still finite. Still...-...computable...-...even if "computable" means "can only be accomplished by cells." -Now... bacteria are far from people... but one may take note of this software: https://simtk.org/home/wholecell/-A complete simulation of a bacterium that allows full predictability of genotype to phenotype. -Human thinking is broadened by contact with other people, but we're still limited by all the amassed knowledge that came before us... there is no real *genius* in this world... only a limited creativity based upon what we've managed to stumble across.-We are a bumbling species, intellectually.

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