Atheism and morality (Introduction)
Sorry for the delayed response, but it has been a busy week. - Let me start by saying that my view on the subject is based on my personal belief that there is a UI of some form. In this context, there is an objective right and wrong from it's perspective, if not from our own. This form of right and wrong is not a moral imperative, it, like the UI itself, simply IS. I think of it it as immutable truth, unchanging, unalterable, untainted by the human influences of short lifespans, finite resources, social stability, or any other concept that we use to moderate our own morality.-This is the version of right and wrong that I think humans innately understand, and lose as we grow older and begin to make exceptions for other people, other circumstances, and our own wants and desires. Again, this is not morality, it is right and wrong. -Morality, as you and David pointed out can only exist where ones persons actions affect someone else. Therefor, the idea that society can determine what is 'right and wrong', to me, is utter rubbish. It can only dictate a form of morality that is conducive to its own existence, but this will always be inherently flawed in many different respects as I pointed out in a previous post. We, as individuals, always will feel where the 'societal morality' fails keenly as a form of injustice, seeing particular taboos as silly, ridiculous, or as a violation of our own ability to choose the way of life which is best for us. This is not referring to 'abuse of power'. While that most certainly plays a factor at the higher levels of social morality, as in the case of laws, here I am referring to even the local non-legal interference that can come in the form of social ostracism or aggression on the basis of your opinion differing from that of the main social animal.
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David Turell,
2010-10-16, 04:05
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George Jelliss,
2010-10-16, 11:28
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David Turell,
2010-10-16, 14:35
- Atheism and morality - xeno6696, 2010-10-18, 04:11
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David Turell,
2010-10-16, 14:35
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dhw,
2010-10-16, 22:07
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2010-10-18, 04:19
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2010-10-18, 04:19
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xeno6696,
2010-10-18, 04:00
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2010-10-18, 16:47
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xeno6696,
2010-10-18, 21:00
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xeno6696,
2010-10-19, 01:50
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dhw,
2010-10-19, 15:20
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2010-10-19, 18:50
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xeno6696,
2010-10-19, 23:23
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xeno6696,
2010-10-22, 11:43
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David Turell,
2010-10-19, 18:50
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dhw,
2010-10-19, 15:20
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2010-10-19, 01:50
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dhw,
2010-10-18, 21:15
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Balance_Maintained,
2010-10-19, 14:54
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dhw,
2010-10-20, 16:42
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2010-10-20, 18:05
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2010-10-21, 22:18
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2010-10-23, 11:39
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2010-10-24, 15:08
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2010-10-23, 11:39
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2010-10-21, 22:18
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2010-10-20, 22:01
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2010-10-21, 01:13
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2010-10-22, 21:12
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2010-10-21, 18:57
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2010-11-02, 14:47
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2010-11-02, 23:02
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2010-11-03, 00:19
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2010-11-04, 12:55
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2010-11-04, 12:55
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2010-11-03, 00:19
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2010-11-02, 23:02
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dhw,
2010-11-02, 14:47
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dhw,
2010-10-29, 16:06
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dhw,
2010-10-23, 11:29
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2010-10-22, 21:26
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2010-10-21, 01:13
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David Turell,
2010-10-20, 18:05
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2010-10-19, 14:54
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2010-11-12, 03:15
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2010-10-18, 21:00
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2010-10-18, 16:47
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