Why is there anything at all? (Introduction)
I want to make it known that no one has shown any of the premises of the Kalam is false. - Here is my summary of the other positions being discussed - 1) "That there was no "creation" or "coming into being" there was simply a "beginning". The first premises of the Kalam address this and show that the Universe had a beginning." What is wrong with the premises? 2) A quantum fluctuation happened. This is logically absurd because a quantum fluctuation requires a vacuum which requires something (i.e., spatial dimensions and time) to exist. This view is just wrong. 3) There is an infinite number of multi-verses. This is speculation and bad science and bad philosophy. First, the scientists are confusing an actual infinite with a potential infinite -- actual infinites don't physically exist. Secondly, if these multi-verses existed for an infinite amount of time (i.e., no beginning) then they should have run into each other. I think of it as a desperate act to get away from a conclusion that is distasteful. Antony Flew addressed this in his recent book about his conversion to theism. My memory is bad about this but he asks the question "Why should our Universe arrive?" 4) "The arguments of Wilczek and Stenger, which favour the view that the universe is the way it is because it could be no other way." But how does this get around a beginning to the Universe or a cause? Is this intended to address the design argument because it doesn't seem to address anything but be a mere opinion. 5) The universe is eternal. But the Kalam shows it is not eternal so this is not a possibility. - So, what is it that is illogical about the Kalam? - On another note, the Kalam provides more than a 50/50 proposition of either an atheistic 'something quanta state' or theistically a God force. Please back up this opinion. - I also feel the need to address the notion that "universes can appear uncaused from nothing by chance." People who say these sorts of things are being illogical and inconsistent. They do not live this way. For example, if you see a car in your driveway that you didn't put there, would you believe that it appeared from nothing, uncaused, by chance? If police were to find a bank manager had $100,000 in his briefcase, would we believe it appeared from nothing, uncaused, by chance? Absolutely not!!! So why is it that people can say this sort of thing about the Universe without a shred of evidence? Are they trying to get away from the real answer? Why?
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Curtis,
2008-06-07, 19:38
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George Jelliss,
2008-06-08, 13:06
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-09, 01:46
- Why is there anything at all? -
Mark,
2008-06-09, 07:39
- Why is there anything at all? - George Jelliss, 2008-06-09, 13:08
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-09, 15:09
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-09, 23:44
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-10, 01:58
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-10, 22:28
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-11, 14:02
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-11, 16:47
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-12, 04:28
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George Jelliss,
2008-06-12, 16:14
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David Turell,
2008-06-13, 01:45
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David Turell,
2008-06-16, 01:58
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George Jelliss,
2008-06-16, 19:12
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David Turell,
2008-06-17, 00:58
- Why is there anything at all? -
Curtis,
2008-06-28, 19:59
- Why is there anything at all? - George Jelliss, 2008-06-29, 11:19
- Why is there anything at all? -
Curtis,
2008-06-28, 19:59
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-17, 00:58
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-16, 19:12
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-16, 01:58
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-13, 01:45
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-12, 16:14
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-12, 04:28
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-11, 16:47
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-11, 14:02
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-10, 22:28
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-10, 01:58
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-09, 23:44
- Why is there anything at all? -
Mark,
2008-06-09, 07:39
- Why is there anything at all? -
David Turell,
2008-06-09, 01:46
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dhw,
2008-06-10, 19:56
- Why is there anything at all? -
Mark,
2008-06-19, 20:22
- Why is there anything at all? - David Turell, 2008-06-20, 02:09
- Why is there anything at all? -
Mark,
2008-06-19, 20:25
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-19, 23:59
- Why is there anything at all? - Mark, 2008-06-27, 11:52
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-19, 23:59
- Why is there anything at all? -
Curtis,
2008-06-22, 00:38
- Why is there anything at all? -
dhw,
2008-06-23, 11:05
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David Turell,
2008-06-23, 14:06
- Why is there anything at all? - dhw, 2008-06-24, 17:59
- Why is there anything at all? - Curtis, 2008-06-28, 20:26
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Curtis,
2008-06-28, 20:24
- Why is there anything at all? - dhw, 2008-06-30, 10:53
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David Turell,
2008-06-23, 14:06
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dhw,
2008-06-23, 11:05
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Mark,
2008-06-19, 20:22
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Carl,
2008-09-08, 19:04
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David Turell,
2008-09-08, 20:22
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Carl,
2008-09-08, 20:41
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
David Turell,
2008-09-09, 02:27
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-09-09, 15:53
- Why is there anytthing at all? - David Turell, 2008-09-09, 16:50
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Carl,
2008-09-09, 18:57
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George Jelliss,
2008-09-09, 19:21
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Carl,
2008-09-09, 20:58
- Why is there anytthing at all? - Carl, 2008-09-09, 21:04
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
Carl,
2008-09-09, 20:58
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-09-09, 19:21
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-09-09, 15:53
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
David Turell,
2008-09-09, 02:27
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
Carl,
2008-09-08, 20:41
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David Turell,
2008-09-08, 20:22
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Carl,
2008-10-01, 11:55
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
David Turell,
2008-10-01, 17:00
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-10-01, 20:30
- Why is there anytthing at all? - David Turell, 2008-10-02, 01:35
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-10-01, 20:30
- Why is there anytthing at all? -
David Turell,
2008-10-01, 17:00
- Why is there anything at all? -
George Jelliss,
2008-06-08, 13:06