Why is there anything at all? (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 00:58 (5791 days ago) @ George Jelliss

George stated: 
> At the risk of being repetitive, my view is a third possibility, namely that there was no "creation" or "coming into being" there was simply a "beginning". This may be a splitting of hairs, but the situation is not easily covered by everyday language. To talk about there being "something before the beginning" makes no sense, as I have said (citing Hawking I think) it is like "something north of the north pole".
 
> If we try to talk, paradoxically, about the "nothing" that "existed" before the universe, it possessed neither time nor space. It was truly a philosophical logical and metaphysical nothing. The universe has existed since the beginning of time, or in other words the universe has "always" existed. It has a beginning, but nothing existed "before" it. - It is true there was no time or space before the universe. My issue is Stenger's declaration that supposes a quantum fluctuation was the cause and we are here as something from nothing. My issue also is George citing Stenger. We cannot exclude a 'truly philosopical logical and metaphysical nothing' from which this universe arose.