Evolution: as immaterial information (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, June 13, 2022, 16:33 (682 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Information in cells can't be used by dead cells, so chichen and egg problem. Information must be present for life to exist and run its information-dependent processes. The source of life is either God or chance. The first appearance of life is with its informaton present.

dhw: All materials contain information. It takes intelligence to perceive, interpret and use the information. Your authors define life as “information that propagates”. Your second sentence therefore means: information must be present for information that propagates to exist and run its information-dependent processes. So information must exist for information to be present. Eureka! What is all this rigmarole meant to prove?

All it means is for the start of life the cells had to contain information.

DAVID: Life started with information on board!! Information in and of itself is passive, obviusly. Life interpreting information propogates and informaton is carried along with it. A new species has new information, source must be chance or God.

dhw: Everything living and non-living starts with information on board! But it needs a mind to perceive, interpret and use it.

In cells, where is that 'mind'? What really exists is the cells ability to interpret the information code which also requires information.

dhw: Your authors say life is “information that propagates”, so now you have information that propagates interpreting information and propagating. Yes, a new species contains new information, but it is not information creating new information. The more you use the word, the more confusing it becomes.

The disucssion I am having with you does not revert back to the article. You are reverting for no good reason except to complain about it. I am attempting to show you how information is used in life and by life. Your wild discomfort about the information concept is showing.

dhw: Now we have propagating information, instructional information, operational information and informational concepts, and life runs on mental activity which proves that God exists. And all this is meant to “unscramble” my brain. I suggest the following: Life runs on mental activity perceiving, interpreting and using information. Life comes from life, and nobody knows how life and mental activity started.

DAVID: Still a constant scramble as I analyze the bold. Life runs on the informaton it contains, which is obvious.

dhw:The bold shows what a confusing mess is created by indiscriminate use of the word “information”, which you agree is PASSIVE! Life itself is not information. What is your objection to my suggestion, now in red?

Life does not run on mental activity. Life runs by automatically interpreting the information it contains.