Evolution: as immaterial information (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, June 07, 2022, 17:48 (688 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Tuesday, June 07, 2022, 17:55

dhw: Of course information exists without interpretation. I was replying to your own comment: “The only way life can work is that it must interpret the information that guides its processes.” But if life is “information that propagates”, you are telling us that the only way information that propagates can work, is that information that propagates must interpret the information that guides its processes. (And we mustn’t forget that information only exists when it has a material form.) Don’t you find all this a little confusing?

You are confused not me. If I have a newly developed concept in my brain, that is immaterial information that I can propagate. Why? I'm alive!! I can put it into sound or writing for others to interpret. That is all living cells do in their small way.

dhw: So now we have information migrating independently of (unrestricted by) the materials without which it can’t exist. So hey ho, evolution takes place independently of the genome, and this offers us “explanatory dimensions”. Again: where have you found the dismissal of chance and the inevitability of a designer?

This is from an ID propagated article: designer required as tranlated by me.

DAVID: I fully and logically recognize the need for a controlling operative mind, which you refuse to understand as you revert to natural chance as the driving mechanism. Pure plea from Darwinism. No wonder you are muddled. God does it and doesn't tell us how, so we research to reach as much understanding as we can.

dhw: Nowhere have I reverted to “natural chance”, and nowhere do the authors mention chance or design or God. I have not offered any theory at all. I have simply criticized the article because I find it muddling.[…]

DAVID: Come on, you constantly give credence to chance, and I give that absurdity (IMHO) a poke.

dhw: This discussion has become an "absurdity". Instead of dealing with my criticisms of an article about “information” which in my view creates confusion and explains nothing, you preach ID and twist my precise objections to the article’s equation of evolution with immaterial information into giving “credence to chance”. If I gave credence to chance, I would be an atheist, but that too is totally irrelevant.

The absurdity is your misunderstanding of information and its use by living matter. DNA contains coded information. Acting upon it is what living things do. Speciation requires the deveopment of new infomation to form a new species. In design theory God adds new informtion to speciate. New informaatkon must be added!! Can your cell committees do that? Creating a new species requires a mental concept of what new form/s are desired. Where did the information come from to design and have formed all the new organ systems required? Especaily in the 410,000 time period shown in the new history I've presented. Darwin's worry, the Salurian gap throws his theory out the window.

Note, we have had this same information discussion for many years, simply because of your constant misuderstanding of the ID concept of how information theory impinges on evolutionary theory. Note all of the OOL reaseach I've shown, is based on intelligent design in the labratory. What is done is always following informative immaterial guesses in the scientists' brains.