What Exactly IS Intelligence? (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, September 01, 2010, 15:23 (5196 days ago) @ David Turell

David,
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> > > > This does not mean that we know all of our choices or have grown to understand all of our choices. Just like the baby in the play pen, the baby will grow out of the play pen and grow to choose different choices it had no idea was available all the time. We as stardust grow and as we do our available choices grow with us. But never will we have a choice to choose more than we are capable of choosing or than we have available to us.
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> > > An excellent analysis. My concept of free will fits this definition.
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> > If this is your idea of free will, than robots already exercise it.
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> I think you misunderstand her reasoning. I should let her defend herself. She is not determanistic. As intellect grows our mental concepts grow also, and our achievements follow right along with this growth. We cannot work with materials that don't exist until we create them. Cavemen did not have stainless steel to cook with. Element 140 doeesn't exist yet, to stretch my reasoning. Cavemen do not understand the concepts we deal with. Specialization in thought means that you understand programming, and i don't, but I can use the resluts of your knowledge to expand my horizons as I browse the internet for information, conceptual or factual. We are a long way, if ever, that a robot will browse the internet, find fatual information and innitiate a new concept, not yet thought of by a human.-Okay, so we're in agreement: we're only talking about an epistemological boundary; All knowledge is based on modification or application of previous knowledge. -You're extending an assertion that robot's won't be capable of creating a new concept. For example, robots would only ever be able to work in "normal" science, never in paradigmatic science? -I don't see the connection here to Free Will. To me, what you guys are talking about is that robots can only make choices based on what choices they're allowed to make--which is no different than what we do. A human being cannot make a choice beyond that which he cannot conceive. Someone with an IQ of 85 is unlikely to create the "Theory of Everything." Humans have absolute freedom to make any choices within their box; so are robots. In this particular definition of Free Will--robots exercise this exactly, yet we would all agree that they don't actually have "free will" because we understand "free will" to be a property of sentience.

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