What Exactly IS Intelligence? (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by romansh ⌂ @, Saturday, August 28, 2010, 20:26 (4961 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by unknown, Saturday, August 28, 2010, 21:20

I'm not sure we can or cannot define a newborn as having a rudiment of consciousness, only the potential from future experience. 
> > OK carbon dioxide, water vapour and nitrogen in the air plus some minerals in the ground also have the potential for future experience. Remnants of the big bang plus stardust also have the potential for future experience.
> Does a brick know it is experiencing anything? To be conscious one must know that it is experiencing whatever, and folds an interpretation of that into its remembered consciousness. -I suspect not, at least not in sense I experience my environment.-But you completely missed (or at least did not address) my point. That apparently non intelligent, non conscious, sans free will stuff combines together to form objects that have consciousness, free will and are apparently intelligence? Now you may have a theistic explanation for this? ->> I'm not a fan of Susan. I've read her book "Dying to Live", with I believe its purposeful misinterpretations of medical reports of out of body and near to death events, observed by licensed physicians, who themselves had been doubters.-> To clarify my comment above: I read the actual reports she refers to, before I read her book. In the sentence below, my hunamist side is trying to be kind, but underneath, I totally mistrust her motivation. Her out of body experience was while on marijuana.-I have not read her book, but she did espouse paranormal beliefs at one time, but she has now stepped away from this position.-> I know I am conscious,and have never self-studied it. I am conscious all the time of what is around me unless day-dreaming or asleep and my dreams are a form of consciousness.-I think I am conscious all the time as well, but it's just that I'm not so sure. Is starting a sentence with "I know" agnostic?-> I am an agnostic theist by free will conclusions: I cannot fully grasp the concept of God as the universal intelligence I believe in. I have chosen to conclude that He is both within and without the universe as a First Cause, but I have no Greek in my background, and am just now sneaking a peek at Plato and Aristotle.-I find it difficult to reconcile "I can never know" with "But I'll believe anyway".


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