What Exactly IS Intelligence? (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by David Turell , Saturday, August 28, 2010, 17:54 (5200 days ago) @ romansh

'Person' means a human zygote. 
> Is this your definition or some other definition?-'Personage' per Adler's approach means a human person, or in the case of God, 'a person like no other person', roughly quoting.
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> > I'm not sure we can or cannot define a newborn as having a rudiment of consciousness, only the potential from future experience. -> OK carbon dioxide, water vapour and nitrogen in the air plus some minerals in the ground also have the potential for future experience. Remnants of the big bang plus stardust also have the potential for future experience.-
 Does a brick know it is experiencing anything? To be conscious one must know that it is experiencing whatever, and folds an interpretation of that into its remembered consciousness. 
 -> > I'm not a fan of Susan. I've read her book "Dying to Live", with I believe its purposeful misinterpretations of medical reports of out of body and near to death events, observed by licensed physicians, who themselves had been doubters.-To clarify my comment above: I read the actual reports she refers to, before I read her book. In the sentence below, my hunamist side is trying to be kind, but underneath, I totally mistrust her motivation. Her out of body experience was while on marijuana.-
> > Either she is dishonest in her presentations, or ill-prepared to tackle the subject. Trying to concentrate on being conscious, 'nutty'.-> While I agree based on my experience of psychologists, purely in social circles, that they are a little skewed off the median in terms of nuttiness, but for a phychologist to study consciousness (even her own) is not "nutty" in my opinion.
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> So you disagreed with her premise that when ask ourselves "Am I conscious now?" we seem to awake? If you disagreed with Susan then two possibilities come to mind - either you are in permament conscious state or permament semiconscious state? No doubt there may be other possibilities.-I know I am conscious,and have never self-studied it. I am conscious all the time of what is around me unless day-dreaming or asleep and my dreams are a form of consciousness.
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> > I'm a firm believer in free will.
> I take you are not an agnostic in any shape or form then - not even an agnostic theist?-I am an agnostic theist by free will conclusions: I cannot fully grasp the concept of God as the universal intelligence I believe in. I have chosen to conclude that He is both within and without the universe as a First Cause, but I have no Greek in my background, and am just now sneaking a peek at Plato and Aristotle.