ID explained (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Friday, January 29, 2021, 23:06 (104 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You have left out the obvious: a first cause must be eternal and we may be the last and current iteration of His/Hers efforts.

dhw: Of course a first cause must be eternal, but that does not make a conscious first cause any more logical than an unconscious first cause. Your speculation that humans may be the purpose and last product of evolution has nothing to do with the illogicality of your belief that life and consciousness must be designed but were not designed.

What is logical despite your circular reasoning, is an uncaused productive first cause must exist. Eternal means always.


DAVID: Cellular intelligence means the cells have knowledge and can plan by thinking.

dhw: It certainly means they have knowledge, but it does not mean they plan in the sense of foreseeing the future. My proposal is that cells RESPOND to requirements.

You haven't told us how they know to respond.


DAVID: Remember 50/50: either so-called intelligent cells simply follow intelligent instructions or they have arranged their own intelligent processes.

dhw: Precisely. That is what I have said in the bold above. If it’s 50/50, even you have no reason to reject it.

I have a perfect right to choose one side, based on evidence.


DAVID: The immerging understanding of the extreme complexity of a single operating cell demands a well-planned design by a designer.

dhw: Back you go to the origin! Our disagreement is over Chapter 2 of life, with your claim that your God’s sole purpose was to design H. sapiens, but he directly designed every life form that ever existed, 99% of which had no connection with humans.

Silly. The connection is evolution starting from bacteria. It is not discontinuous.


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