Computer \"reads\" memories... (Humans)

by BBella , Monday, March 29, 2010, 06:49 (5161 days ago) @ dhw

BBELLA: What do you wish or hope the ultimate truth is? Not asking what science, proof/no proof, the intelligent or the wise of humanity believe it to be. Just considering the reality of the way things appear to you, in detail, what do you hope is ultimately taking place here in reality?
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> Ugh, this is a devil of a question ... though I'm sure the purpose is angelic! As a preamble, firstly I need to get rid of the word "hope", because that's too emotionally committed. I'd prefer to say what I would see as my IDEAL "ultimate truth". Is that permissible? -Much better said, yes!->Secondly, although I've been exceedingly lucky (so far) in my life, in my thinking I just can't ignore the terrible suffering that life has inflicted on so many others. This undoubtedly colours my wished-for UT.-I was looking for you to give an "ideal" UT with the suffering on earth in mind as well. In your estimation (or anyone reading), what could possibly be the ideal UT going on here with all the suffering?-> 
> There would have to be some kind of continuance (and compensation) after death. -Is this your ideal UT for suffering? Continued life after death in compensation for the life of suffering here? If so, what would be the ideal compensation? ->I would like to retain my identity, to be with the people I love, and continue the activities I enjoy. These would include access to literature, music, sport and chocolate, though how on Earth ... or wherever else ... this would be possible without a body, I really don't know. (Sex is another obvious victim of bodilessness.) -If it is your ideal UT, why would you be without a body? It's your UT so you should have a body if you want one! ->I would like all such opportunities to be available to everyone in a sort of universal ... though not communal! ... love-in. Your idea of rest periods, and the possibility of voluntarily entering another form of life appeals to me, as it removes the burden and boredom of eternity. This would all be part of a vast fabric of life of which I remain a tiny fragment in a tiny niche, just as I am now, though that niche could expand if I wished it to. There would be no God ... just this great multidimensional universe full of beings like myself in their own niches, but without suffering, without our human vices (chocolate in moderation, folks), without hierarchies, and without competition other than games (ah, cricket!), played in perfect sporting spirit. -Within your "vast fabric of life" of your UT we already know there is suffering here on earth. I had hoped (not a true emotional investment of hope, but can't think of another word at the moment) you would consider suffering within your ideal UT, just because we already have it. ->Why no God? Because then there would be no need to explain earthly suffering, no ultimate authority ... nothing beyond the joys of life itself. It would transpire that life has gone on and will go on evolving here and elsewhere in the universe for ever, and the universe itself is a body like ours that simply continues to renew and change itself without self-awareness and without purpose. Why without purpose? Because purpose sets limits. My ideal universe has no limits apart from the exclusion of suffering.-In your above ideal UT, didn't you give the universal body direction or purpose in which to evolve by wishing to exclude suffering? When you exclude suffering you are placing purpose and limits on which the fabric of the universe can evolve. Only by self-awareness can suffering eventually be eliminated purposely. If, in your UT reality, you excluded suffering, where was suffering placed? It can't be "forgotten" because it will always be part of the history or remembrance of the fabric. You could place it in a locked closet where no one could enter? But eventually, after a million or so years, you may even want to peek into for a visit just to remember what it is you can't quite remember was so bad. Not only that, if you are the only one that remembers, you become the "God" that doesn't allow suffering. Eventually, someone is going to want to know what you are hiding in there.-[edit] continued in next post