Science and Grants (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, December 21, 2009, 02:47 (5248 days ago) @ xeno6696

David,
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> > > Bad ideas are always expelled from science by scientists, never once has an idea been debunked due to financial ties. 
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> > The time is now. Your life's experience is getting in the way. Remember, when there is fraud follow the money.
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> Alright, humor me. What was the last scientific idea that was debunked due to money? -We are going through it right now with the global warming. but more than that,and I only have supposition: the fraud committed with cold fusion. i'm sure it involved grants and tenure. 
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> > > Though one point you bring up that I think is valid--a journal writing is always a summary of all a person's work. Why isn't there a place to deposit all raw data the scientist produced?
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> > That's the point. It isn't being done properly.
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> Well, arguably--it's never been done. Not in the US, not here, not anywhere. Most data that scientists accrue accrues between the ears. Part of the reason for that computational biology project at UNO is to gain access to those biochemical insights that don't get published. I think we might be talking at two related, but different points.-I don't think so. Tree ring analysis is numbers. Most results are numbers or EKG's or whatever. My paper with Hellerstein on mode of dying, 1959, had all the EKG's available for anyone to review at our offices.
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> > > In my mind, think of all the potential information that is lost because the scientist thinks something is unimportant. Some outlier, etc; you know what I mean here.
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> > Agreed. 
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> > > THAT's the kind of thing that universities need to undertake.
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> > But they are contaminated by huge grants also.
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> Ah... so the only bodies conducting this kind of research apparently can't be trusted because they get big grants? Not a terribly convincing argument.-Humans are driven by money. You saw my numbers on Michael Mann. 
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> > Read Pat Michaels. He is an honest disagreer who debunked material that James Hanson fooled congress with several years ago. Hanson presented temperature records that left off heads and tails of preceeding and following years of data, with obvious changes to the slope of temperature over many decades when everything available was added back. Hanson started this phoniness.
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> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704398304574598230426037244.html
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> Isn't Hanson the hockey-stick graph guy?-I spelt Hanson wrong: should be Hansen. Mann is the hockey stick character, and that is totally debunked, but the IPCC has only rescently quit using it. The UN is run by third world countries and they want lots of money transferred to them from us. That is the major point of this whole Copenhagen fiasco. Shakespeare was right. There is something rotten
 in Denmark.