A new synthesis: Four dimensions of Evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, December 12, 2015, 01:07 (3268 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Complete misunderstanding. For the sake of argument, I have accepted that design set up the mechanism for evolution. But that does not mean the mechanism preprogrammed the course of evolution. Your God could have designed it to do its own thing.
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> DAVID: But that hypothesis leaves out a drive for humans; they then are an accident of chance, a la Gould.
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> dhw: Of course it leaves out a drive for humans. That is the issue we are debating: your belief that your God geared evolution to the production of humans...... All three explain the higgledy-piggledy bush, and even 1) is designed by the mechanism, but humans are not your God's purpose.-You are a great playwright, but your imagination of God's purposes does not look at the results of evolution. Have you every answered the question, why are there humans at all? Never required by nature when they showed up. Everyone else was doing fine.-> 
> dhw: Random mutations within God's mechanism are just another example of divine design without humans as the purpose of every phase-See Noble's lecture. NO random mutations.-> 
> dhw: “Where does autonomous intelligence come from?” is one of the great unanswered and unanswerable questions. Your answer is all earthly life and intelligence comes from another form of intelligence which didn't come from anywhere but simply IS. And you mutter “first cause”, as if that explained everything. Since the only intelligence we know is associated with materials, the claim that “first cause” is intelligent is no more credible than the claim that intelligence can arise “de novo” through a particular combination of materials. Of course it's far-fetched.-What is farfetched is assuming that 'somehow' consciousness can arise from non-living inorganic material. See Haisch's lecture. -> DAVID: According to Haisch, who uses quantum examples, he states consciousness is the basis of reality. I've read his book. Watch his video. It is only 30 minutes, 40 with the questions discussion. His reasoning and the many quantum theorists who support him, is why I stress so much quantum mechanics in my entries.
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> dhw: I found an interview on a rather dull programme called The Moore Show. I can see why you like him, and there was one intriguing idea that God's purpose is to know himself through us. Maybe his book explains what he means. If “many” quantum theorists support him, that can only mean that some do not, and so it would be difficult for a non-quantum-theorist to take sides.-I've never seen disagreement. He's not the only one. Heisenberg is another famous proponent. Consciousness plays a role in all experiments where choice and timing of choice is involved. I've covered this several times in the past. Remember delayed choice can change the original observations!-> (I see you've now given a link to the video. I'll try to catch up over the
weekend.)-I don't know what website you found I presented him twice now, once on Thursday:-Thursday, December 10, 2015, 01:31