A new synthesis: Four dimensions of Evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, December 10, 2015, 16:57 (3269 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: Of course first life had to contain the mechanism for evolution, but I was responding to your claim that if that mechanism was designed, design ruled evolution. -Makes perfect sense to me. If life took design to begin, my position, then design set up the mechanism for evolution. You are skipping the consideration of design.-> dhw: But according to my hypothesis - theistic version - God designed the mechanism and gave it autonomous intelligence to do its own designing (a different meaning for "design rules evolution").-But that hypothesis leaves out a drive for humans; they then are an accident of chance, a la Gould.-> dhw: And according to Darwin - theistic version - God designed the mechanism so that it would produce random combinations (design does not rule evolution, even if the mechanism was designed).-Again, Darwin! I don't need him at all. For him humans are a chance result.-> dhw: We are not arguing about the likelihood of ANY of these. I am merely pointing out that yours is only one version of God's design, and it depends entirely on your fixed belief that humans were his purpose. -You are explaining again our previous discussions. You, as usual are back to chance. I still see only the two possibilities, chance or design.
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> dhw: However, I was wrong to say that the origin is irrelevant to the process. I made the same mistake as you, and focused only on my own hypothesis concerning how evolution proceeds. Your hypothesis (preprogramming/dabbling) is clearly not possible if God did not design the mechanism, whereas mine (autonomous intelligence) and Darwin's (random mutations) would function, whether God designed the mechanism or not. (I think Darwin's is a lot more far-fetched than mine!)-Thank you. Shall we now rate 'farfetchedness? Tell me where does 'autonomous intelligence' come from? Not from the initial rocky earth as in your Bbella discussions. Does your form of auto-intelligence arise de novo? The philosophic issue really is can intelligence arise when none existed before in an inorganic universe? I think not. Intelligence exists in consciousness. According to Haisch, who uses quantum examples, he states consciousness is the basis of reality. I've read his book. Watch his video. It is only 30 minutes, 40 with the questions discussion. His reasoning and the many quantum theorists who support him, is why I stress so much quantum mechanics in my entries.
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> dhw: There is information both inside and outside the organism, and both types need onboard intelligence to give them meaning.-Exactly. I have my origin of that intelligence. You have none.