Information Complication (General)

by BBella , Wednesday, December 02, 2015, 08:16 (3278 days ago) @ dhw

I see intelligence as varying in degrees from our own down to that of, say, bacteria, but you seem to be saying that the intelligence of ATI is uniform - just the quality of being, which is shared by all things. The website you have referred us to appears to do the same:
> http://www.epicenterofchiropractic.com/Philosophy.html
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> 1 “There is a universal intelligence in all matter, continuously giving to it all its properties and actions, thus maintaining it in existence, and giving this intelligence its expression.” This is panpsychism, and some would call the universal intelligence God, an eternally conscious being that created the mechanisms for life. But that is not your concept. Instead “the mechanism that processes information and runs life and ATI” is intelligence. For me, without a definition, the word becomes as meaningless as “information” when applied indiscriminately. Information runs life. Intelligence runs life. Energy runs life. God runs life. In one of his posts, David even had life running life. As I see it, we might just as well say an indescribable something runs life, and it will have the same meaning.-I assume, if intelligence (in the sense I am using it) was so easily describable or detectable, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Science works very hard at trying to capture intelligence at work and naming it, as an idea of specific words. And even the dictionary seems to find it hard to pin-point it's meaning exactly. But for me, that which maintains ATI in existence seems as close as I can imagine the meaning of intelligence to be in a universal way (the main reason I gave the link is because it expresses that several times). -As for differing degrees of intelligence or pin-pointing intelligence here or there, is where the lines become fuzzy. In a similar way to me pointing to the ocean and saying, there is the ocean, then placing drops of the ocean in a jar and saying, and still be correct by some standards, the ocean is in the jar. But if I pour drops of the ocean onto the sand I would not point to the sand and say there is the ocean (altho in some sense I would still be correct), because what was ocean is now hidden in the sand and it would take science to try and distinguish the ocean water from the sand. Of course I am not saying intelligence and ocean water are comparable. I am saying ATI is being maintained in it's place, and in that very act of maintenance, I see intelligence - altho it may not always be obvious - it is there nonetheless. Not meaning one conscious, self aware intelligent being - just intelligence maintaining ATI.
 
> I agree that everything that is came from everything that was, but as I see it, ATW and ATI are not the same thing at all, since “ATI is never static and is always changing what IS”. If something changes, it is not the same, and the great mystery of life is a prime example. At one time there was no life on earth. Now there's you and me. Perhaps this is the result of intelligent (deliberate, conscious, cognitive) design by David's God. But I can't bracket us together with a lump of rock in the middle of nowhere as if that too required the same intelligence or evinced the same intelligence as us.-As well you shouldn't bracket humans with rocks. But when you get right down to it and name our informational parts, we are made of what already has been and what will always be. Nothing is ever brand spanking new since everything is made out of available resources.
 
>So if there was no chaos, did intelligence exist without a function? If there was chaos, does this mean that matter (I don't understand “uniformed”) existed without intelligence? That contradicts everything you have said about the oneness of ALL THAT IS/WAS.-As I said before, I see nothing existing without intelligence. 
 
> 14 “Force is manifested by motion in matter, all matter has motion, therefore there is universal life in all matter.” 
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> Who says that motion is synonymous with life?-Not me. Only a few thoughts on that link expressed how I see things.