Information Complication (General)

by BBella , Friday, November 20, 2015, 05:39 (3290 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: However, although clearly ALL THAT IS brings intelligence, information and everything else together in a great oneness...
> BBELLA: The way you state it above, dhw, "ALL THAT IS brings... make it sound as though ALL THAT IS is what brings and so is separate from intelligence, information and everything else, so ATI brings those 3 into a great oneness. [...]
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> Badly phrased by me. I meant what you meant: the concept of ALL THAT IS combines intelligence, information etc. I did not mean the ATI is separate from these.-Yes, though I still think it's even clearer said - intelligence, information and matter is ALL THAT IS. ->I see self awareness as the most advanced form of awareness, but a degree of awareness is integral to my concept of intelligence....I do not see existence as “being” intelligence - it is only being...-Yes, this is where we differ. I cannot envision any existence without intelligence. Not meaning the intelligence you envision (awareness) but a kind of intelligence that can be present in ATI. As I mentioned before, a rock is a rock, it is not no-thing. Since it is a rock and not no-thing, to me, that constitutes the presence of intelligence - intelligence at work, busy, in the process of being a rock. Over time, the rock will become something else, just as ATI does as well. ATI is THE process of intelligence busy creating WHAT IS.->You and I are two separate intelligences, -Or, for me, better said, you and I are two separate expressions/creations/examples of intelligence.->but I do not think the sun is aware of its environment, takes decisions etc. -My limited intelligence does completely agree with you for what we can see and know, though I will admit I am not absolutely sure, without any shadow of doubt, that the sun is not aware of it's environment or takes decisions. ->And we are not all one. -I agree. We are not all one, we (ATI) are all three: intelligence, energy (force) & matter. -> Dhw: What runs life is a mechanism that processes information, and we don't know what that mechanism is, either in running life itself or in engendering intelligence.-I prefer to think we do (in a sense) know what IT is; this mechanism that processes information and runs life and ATI. It is intelligence - it is the processor. ->What we're really asking is how did ALL THAT IS arise out of ALL THAT WAS? But we don't know ALL THAT WAS, and we don't even know ALL THAT IS.-As I see it, ATW and ATI is the same thing. Intelligence at work. Everything that was is now everything that is. Everything that will be, will be created from everything that now is. It is all a constant process by intelligent re-creation or recreation (lol) of matter & energy. ATI is never static and is always changing what IS. This is the work of intelligence.->Matter in my view can therefore exist without intelligence.-On that note, I decided to search the internet for information that could possibly express (if even remotely) my view of how I imagine universal intelligence. I felt fortunate to find this website below which is philosophical in nature (not a surprise), and in the chiropractic field at that, but does express my view fairly close. Though take into consideration I've never read these 33 principles before now and they do not express how I view ATI fully, but does a fair job of it. You and/or David may be familiar with these principles already.- http://www.epicenterofchiropractic.com/Philosophy.html