Information Complication (General)

by David Turell , Monday, November 02, 2015, 14:25 (3307 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I have not questioned that. I have questioned your claim that “information runs life”. You agree that the information has to be processed and used, and my point is that the mechanism which processes and uses it runs life.-***
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> You are simply trying to twist my statement around. It is not the information that runs life, but the “genome mechanisms” that process and use the information. You are merely adding “genome” and changing processing to interpreting. Information on its own serves no purpose until it is used!-My English was not clear. You are correct. The information to run life exists and life has a mechanism to use that information. At least I've got you to recognize that life runs on information, a word you recently rejected.-> 
> dhw:If evolution is to happen, of course life has to start with a mechanism that produces life itself, reproduction, and the ability to change. That is not the issue between us. You are asking us to believe that the “information at the start of life” included the whole preprogrammed history of evolution, with the following exception:
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> DAVID: If God guided evolution, then He may have modified it along the way. 
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> “Guided” is another of your weasel words. He could only “guide” it by programming all the innovations etc. in advance (which is total control, not guidance), or - as you say - modifying/dabbling as he went along.-I've admitted I can't tell which. At least you are now admitting that life started with information on board to provide the ability to change.-> 
> DAVID: I've brought you kicking and screaming to recognizing the importance of information to the functioning of life. Functional dynamic information runs life and how life interprets and uses that information is now under discovery. 
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> dhw: I have never questioned the importance of information to the functioning of life> 
> Life functions by means of a mechanism that processes and uses information. In your evolutionary hypothesis, the mechanism is a programme which your God devised 3.8 billion years ago to be passed down through countless organisms and environmental changes. This programme automatically processes and uses the information available at different times and in different organisms to create every single innovation, lifestyle and natural wonder from bacteria to humans (apart from when God dabbles). In my evolutionary hypothesis the mechanism (perhaps invented by your God) is organisms' autonomous intelligence, which processes and uses the available information for the same purposes.
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> Feel free to pop in “genome” if you want to, and please let me know your objections.-Generally a good summary of where we stand. I would change 'autonomous intelligence' to 'explicit information'.