Darwin & Wallace (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, October 10, 2015, 11:54 (3330 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by dhw, Saturday, October 10, 2015, 12:08

DAVID: Stop equating the bush of life as an unreasonable relationship for 'survival by eating' so evolution could proceed. So it is a strange bush. I don't know why it came out that way, but it doesn't matter. We humans are here for no good reason except to produce us, so we could think about all of this. I still look at 'why' we are here and you keep looking at 'how'. Try both as I do.-You admit that you don't know “why” the bush came out that way, but you say the “why” doesn't matter. Then you complain that I don't look at “why” we are here, i.e. why the bush produced us! It is you who refuse to look at “why”! And even when I followed the theistic “why humans?” line and suggested it might be to entertain a bored God, you offered the alternative that he wanted someone to converse with, and when I pointed out that it was difficult to converse with someone who kept himself hidden, you remarked that it was silly to try and read God's mind! I have also proposed that the reason “why” the bush produced us and the duck-billed platypus and the rest of all species extant and extinct is the drive of all organisms for survival and/or improvement. But that is not the “why” you want to hear. I also look at the how, and propose an autonomous inventive mechanism, possibly designed by your God.
 
DAVID: There is plenty of evidence for pre-planning, which may be the IM we have been discussing. :
"From The Evolution Revolution by physicist Lee Spetner: [...]-Just like the video you recommended, this is an attack on the theory of random mutations, which you and I have long since rejected, and which has been under fire since I don't know when. Pre-planning and the IM as I understand them are not the same thing at all. The IM is what enables each organism to work out in its own way how to adapt or, in my hypothesis, improve in accordance with the demands or opportunities offered by a changing environment. It absolutely does not entail God putting instructions (= pre-planning) into each organism on how to adjust the size of its beak, build its nest, lay its eggs, navigate thousands of miles, spin silk etc. etc.