Darwin & Wallace (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 06, 2015, 20:06 (3334 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: ALL innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc., including the weaverbird's nest, from bacteria onwards were therefore not required by the challenges of nature.-Then why did it happen? Chance or underlying drive for complexity. 'Drive' appears most likely. Where did that come from? Again chance seems very unlikely. tniks is why I see purpose.
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> dhw: Balance in nature is critical for what? -Survival. Everyone has to eat.-> dhw: However, if you truly believe God deliberately designed the nest and the millions of past and present wonders in order to balance nature so that he could produce/feed humans, then I can only explain to you why such anthropocentrism stretches my own credulity way beyond its limits.-But if we accept that humans appeared without demands of nature, as you now say you do, I have to ask why they appeared. All I can see is purpose, not accident, because it took too many purposeful modifications to leave 'monkeydom' over a 20 million year period when he first lumbar modifications began.-> dhw: As a theist, how can you possibly conduct a search for purpose without trying to read God's mind? ..... Please tell me what other purpose you want me to look for without trying to read God's mind.-I can't see any other purpose than humans. Nothing else makes sense.
 
> dhw: I have included the “lowest levels of life”, which you insist have no freedom but have been programmed by your God to follow the same patterns - all apparently because they are necessary to fulfil God's purpose of producing/feeding humans (though it is silly to try to read God's mind).-I repeat, nothing else makes sense. It is the only purpose I see. Why are we here? It is like 'why is here anything?'