Darwin & Wallace (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, October 09, 2015, 22:10 (3331 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Evolution advanced to humans because everyone along the way could eat. Not confusing. food supply is food supply.
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> dhw: The balance of nature provides food for them until it changes, and then food supply is no longer food supply and they disappear. 3.8 thousand million years of nature changing its balance - you can't tell us if God controlled that - and of millions of weird and wonderful creatures and lifestyles “guided” by God, appearing and disappearing, just to produce humans (not possible without dead trilobites and triceratops) and provide food for us (we can't eat without the weaverbird's nest or wasp eggs on a spider's back). My belief is beggared!-Stop equating the bush of life as an unreasonable relationship for 'survival by eating' so evolution could proceed. So it is a strange bush. I don't know why it came out that way, but it doesn't matter. We humans are here for no good reason except to produce us, so we could think about all of this. I still look at 'why' we are here and you keep looking at 'how'. Try both as I do. 
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> DAVID: Your two thoughts don't follow logically. A semi-automatic IM has created all sorts of wonders of nature while guiding evolution to humans.
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> dhw: Alternative hypothesis: An autonomous IM (possibly designed by your God) has created all sorts of wonders of nature while guiding evolution to create parasitic wasps, nest-building weaverbirds,the duck-billed platypus and humans plus xyz times millions, leaving behind trilobites and triceratops plus xyz times millions. (And if we can't read God's mind, it's still "silly" to claim you know his intention for designing the IM.)-There is plenty of evidence for pre-planning, which may be the IM we have been discussing. :-"From The Evolution Revolution by physicist Lee Spetner:-"The proximate biochemical signal evoking the change in beak shape [of Galapagos finches] has been discovered to be a protein growth factor Bmp4. The more Bmp4 that is made, the broader and deeper is the bird's beak. This protein acts as a signal to the development of the craniofacial bones which determines the beak's shape. If my suggestion is correct that the hormones triggered by environmental inputs affect embryonic development, then those hormones induce these growth factors to form the finch beak….The built-in mechanism of the NREH [Non Random Evolutionary Hypothesis] enables the bird population to adapt to a new environment quickly and efficiently without having to call upon the slow and wasteful neo-Darwinian process of random mutation and natural selection. p. 76-"Note from reader:-"Spetner's Non Random Evolutionary Hypothesis proposes that certain genetic traits lie dormant within the genomes of various living things until environmental cues turn them on and they appear in the next generation. In other words, living things are front loaded with a host of options which allow for rapid and specified adaptations for various enviroments. There is neither chance nor selection in this process. Moreover, it also accounts for the rapid return of smaller finch beaks when the drought ceases. It points towards exquisite design and accounts for the variability of Darwin's finches without invoking the confusions of natural selection. If mutations are random, why is it that thicker, larger beaks appear reliably with every drought on the Galapagos Islands? Why don't longer tail feathers or unusual colors appear? If natural selection works slowly and imperfectly, why are the changes in beak size so rapid? If the mutations are embedded in the genomes of the birds, why do they disappear so quickly when conditions change?"-http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/lee-spetner-on-darwins-iconic-finches/