Stenger\'s Cosmology refuted (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, March 24, 2014, 00:53 (3898 days ago) @ romansh

Romansh: We have models that do give us mechanisms for how the universe came from nothing. So I don't really understand how you can say this dhw.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing-Don't swallow Krauss hook, line and sinker. Note the David Albert objection, quite a valid one, in the Wiki article. I've previously mentioned others to you.-
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo-The you tube presentation is the same. Empty space is not nothing. I'm insisting on an absloute nothing, or this empty space in you tube has always existed prior to the Big Bang, and Einstein is correct in his original belief in an eternal something.-
> The problem with models that give us mechanisms for reality is that they just generate more questions at a deeper level.-Yes, philosophic.
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> > Romansh: The hypothesis that there was no "before" is therefore as fanciful a fiction as the hypothesis that energy has been spewing out universes throughout eternity.
> The speculation that there is a before can be result from a deep misunderstanding of the models we have. 
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> Ultimately we can't know, but we can eliminate nonsense.-Yes, it is possible to add up all the forces and calculate them as zero, but this universe and this space time exists. It is something. Therefore, not nonsense. Logical philosophic thought. Either eternal existence or creation. Since one cannot think of creating something from a true nothing, there has always been something eternal.