Species consciousness and instinct. (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, October 31, 2013, 17:26 (4041 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: The control lies in the limitation of choice (your a, b, c). But you still have not explained how an automaton can CHOOSE between a, b and c. And of course you can't, because you know as well as I do that an automaton cannot make decisions of its own. That is one reason why your scenario doesn't make sense to me.-Please think outside your box. Stimuli have strength differentials. They have type differentials. Automatic responses could be programmed as graded responses depending on the characteristics of the stimuli. Electronic items do it all the time, and DNA is way more complex than the electronic algorithms the electronic boards.
 
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> And that is why we propose different theories, which we then subject to our phenomenal powers of reasoning! You and I cannot believe in chance (Darwin's random mutations). You have offered a different theory which is so contradictory and when followed to its logical conclusion (see below) so far-fetched that I'm tempted to use some of the terms you have levelled against those scientists who call for further research into the intelligence of cells.-I'm sorry you can't follow my reasoning. You keep adding suppositions to my thoughts- > 
> dhw: Another way of saying that cells are preprogrammed to cooperate and obey God's plans to create trilobite eyes, spider eyes, fly eyes, eagle eyes, human eyes...Substitute every organ you can think of in that list. All preprogrammed into the first living organisms (since you believe evolution happened).-Same suppositions. I don't know the degree of pre-planning for anything. I simply propose that planning is necessary for complexity. The exact level of pre-planning vs, experimentation is anyone's guess.-> 
> dhw:but you still won't make the connection. Did God preprogramme this three-way symbiosis into the first living cells, or could it be an example of how organisms cooperate individually and independently? ....Not by chance ... we've both agreed on that ... but by the intelligence with which your God may have endowed them. If cells (cell communities) don't invent, then ALL of them must be automatons, and ALL innovations must have been preprogrammed. Multiple (even if limited) choice exam papers for cells and ants require cellular and formic intelligence and decision-making. Automatons are not endowed with intelligence or the ability to make decisions. You can't have it both ways.-Yes I can. I've given examples above. Computerized gadgets make all sorts of programmed decisions which alter outcomes.