Making waves (Introduction)

by dhw, Monday, June 24, 2013, 19:35 (4171 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: If your opinion is that the bible does not advocate separate creation of humans and other "kinds", or that separate creation of humans and other "kinds" is not anti-evolution, we can end the discussion!-DAVID: You have expessed my opinion. Accepting theistic evolution solves any problems.-Dhw: Accepting any creed "solves" any problems by shutting out those it can't deal with. In all our discussions, we need to define our terms. Here is a dictionary definition of "Creationism": "Creationism is the theory that living species have separate origins, rather than having evolved from a common ancestor (see EVOLUTION)." (New Fontana Dictionary of Modern Thought). Darwin's Theory of Evolution allows for theism but opposes creationism. In the light of your recent posts, how does your creed differ from this definition?-DAVID: Like Gertrude Stein, creationism is creationism is creationism. The definition you quote is a fundamentalist literal definition taken from the words of the Bible. It is not my definition. Any creation of species by God, by any method He choses, is a form of creationism. He obviously chose an evolutionary method.-I do like a bit of clarity now and then, so let me approach this from yet another angle. Do you believe 1) that your God created humans from scratch, 2) that humans and chimps sprang from a common ancestor without any interference by your God, or 3) that your God grabbed hold of a few existing homochimps and personally manipulated their genome so that they would walk upright and grow big brains?-If your answer is 1) or 3), and purely to satisfy my curiosity, please tell us if you think he intervened on separate occasions to create Lucy, Neanderthal man AND homo sapiens.