Making waves (Introduction)

by dhw, Sunday, June 16, 2013, 20:48 (4178 days ago) @ Balance_Maintained

Both David and Tony have claimed that the bible is not anti-evolution. -TONY: It does NOT say he created the Tucan and the cockatoo. it says he created the winged fowl after its kind. It certainly allows for change, simply not changing between species. No common descent. -And that is the whole point. 

TONY: The bible is not anti-change, nor is it anti-common decent as long as the common decent is limited to families of creatures. Divergence from one species to another has never been observed, and the bible is against that particular train of thought.-In other words, the bible is against the theory that ALL living organisms descended from common ancestors, and this is the great rift between creationists and evolutionists. Once again let me quote Darwin, whose whole theory is geared to the concept of common descent:-In contrast to "authors of the highest eminence [who] seem to be fully satisfied with the view that each species has been separately created", he believes that "all the living forms of life are the lineal descendants of those which lived long before the Silurian epoch," and so "we may feel certain that the ordinary succession by generation has never once been broken..." (Recapitulation and Conclusion)-Of course you are free to believe that Darwin was wrong, but don't tell me the bible is not anti-evolution!-DAVID: The bible is to be interpreted, not rigidly translated from the ancient words.-And so if the bible as Tony himself interprets it is anti-evolution, we can say it's not anti-evolution because it doesn't matter what the bible says, we can simply make up our own version.-BBELLA: In other words, dhw, the Bible is a perfect example for Quantum Reality. What is an agnostic to do with that? Lol-Laugh with you, BBella! According to David, the bible means what you want it to mean. So an atheist can tell us that whenever the bible mentions God, it's simply a figure of speech, an image, a fiction, a fairy tale. What is a theist to do with that? Lol-In all seriousness, though, we need to agree what level we wish to discuss things on. If the bible, like reality itself, is merely what we want it to be, all discussion becomes pointless.