Zero Point Field (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by BBella , Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 21:20 (4292 days ago) @ dhw

BBELLA: "IF" there is an, or ONE, objective truth about how we got here, then I would think there would also have to be ONE objective observer to the whole process of how we came to be.
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> BBella: But, I personally am not stuck on the idea there HAS to be one object truth. Why would there HAVE to be? Everything that IS, is because of everything else that IS.
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> Your last question is precisely the point I am trying to make. IF the universe and life are REAL, they can only have come into existence one way. But the only authority that can tell us that one way would be their creator. -I agree with much of what you say, whether there was/is only one or many ways, in order for us to "know" for sure how we "all" came to be we would have to be told by the only one who knows, if there is ONE who knows. Unless - There is a way for us to know how we ourselves came to be - maybe in the afterlife or maybe our subconscious already knows, or maybe we get scientific proof one day on how we all came to be, or something in our DNA activates at some point and we personally or collectively just know, etc. But, if there is a creator, we won't know for sure there is a creator unless that creator wants us to know. That doesn't necessarily mean our creator would just say to us all at once, "hey, this is how it all went down folks, this is how I made you!" (unless the scriptures were his writings and that's all we get). Maybe one day we could just suddenly simply remember. As it is, all things that are (including what we are) has always been. So, in a sense, we were "all" there and have always been here, and somewhere inside us, we are witnesses to how we came to be. Maybe one day science could make a way for us to follow the pathway of our own emergence into beingness. That would be something! Or maybe in the afterlife we each have the ability to simply know.->This is what I was trying to say in my previous post: that your "malleable truth (about the nature of the source) [is] in fact no kind of truth at all, but simply your way of saying we'll never KNOW the objective 'truth'."-I wasn't really trying to say we will never know, I was giving how I view the All That Is. It's not for me to say whether we will or won't ever know. But, for now, we all see truth thru our own separated perspective even tho the truth does plainly exist. We are all the truth, in a sense. And we each choose to make of it what we will. This is a good thing to be separate and to see from different perspectives. Because, as you pointed out, we would "all" have to be one entity to see even one thing the exact same...and what fun would that be? -I recall a "wormhole" experience one time (I called these experiences in the short time I smoked marijuana for my pain during my illness but found I was too sensitive to it's effects even tho it helped a great deal with my pain), that in a split second I went back in time to when I was one...meaning, one conscious aware being, nothing else existed but me (god before the big bang maybe?). I felt so cold and very lonely. Then suddenly, a giant bright light happened in my mind, and I came to myself, thankful I was me. I've pretty much never looked back since. I haven't wanted to go backwards to understand how I came to be and to feel that loneliness ever again. I just became thankful I am a separated being and there is everyone else. Whether it's for a time or eternity, whether in an imperfect or perfect world, I like being separate and seeing things from a slightly different perspective than anyone else. 
 
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