Zero Point Field (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by dhw, Saturday, February 16, 2013, 12:27 (4297 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Would even this "much more likely" field be a single self-aware being, or an interconnected mass of individual consciousnesses, with different degrees of awareness? The zero point field, like every other theory, seems open to a variety of interpretations, and so I'll happily agree that there's a cosmic field of energies which is the source of All That Is. And I'll happily agree that this field may consist of unselfconscious, physical, fluctuating energies, or of a single self-aware consciousness, or of energies with varying degrees of consciousness. I'll also happily agree that these last two alternatives might explain the strange phenomena arising from human consciousness.-DAVID: Your first choice of unselfconscious energy makes no sense to me. As the source of ATI it must be self-analytic in making designs to create the universe and all the rest. Your second choice which seems to help explain consciousness leads away from agnosticism and I understand your resistance to pursue that road.-I resist all three choices, not because they would lead me away from agnosticism but because none of them make sense to me, which is the REASON FOR my agnosticism! Since we continue to go round in the same circles, I had better explain yet again: all three choices demand an irrational faith in something (chance, god(s), innumerable forms of energy with different degrees of consciousness) for which there is no evidence other than subjective interpretation of selected evidence. However, I am happy to agree that one of them must be correct, which makes me a two-to-one loser!
 
dhw: So where does that leave us? Simply with the fact that there's a cosmic form of energy that is the source of All That Is, and (like anything else except a complete vacuum) it contains information. No doubt Dawkins and David would agree.-DAVID: What does Dawkins agree with?-I am assuming Dawkins would agree that some form of energy gave rise to the universe, and that any form of energy would contain information. That is probably the closest theists and atheists can come to an agreement, the dividing issue being the consciousness or non-consciousness of first cause energy.