Living cells communicate (Introduction)

by David Turell , Monday, October 08, 2012, 01:11 (4431 days ago) @ dhw

but I have absolutely no trust whatsoever in the theory that there was no before. How can anyone possibly have even a clue? And you don't believe it either, since again we agree that nothing can come from nothing. I should have written eternal, ever-changing, unconscious energy ... "energy" being the term which you and I have long since agreed on,-Yes, agreed. Energy has always existed eternally. However, time for us began at the Big Bang. Therefore there is no 'before' before the Big Bang, since a 'before' is a time phenomenon. -> We have agreed that energy is the eternal "first cause" (whether conscious or unconscious), Therefore the argument concerning infinite and eternal combinations still stands, not even limited to events since the Big Bang, but extending for ever and ever. -As Alan Guth (the discoverer of inflation theory) points out: the theory of the Big Bang does not tell us anything about what banged, why it banged, or what might have caused it to bang from whateever energy was available at the time. But he agrees with Vilenkin, no 'before' before the Big Bang. They call it 'past incomplete'. Two papers ten years apart, on Stephen Hawkings 60th and 70th birthdays! Disagreeing with some if his favorite thoughts! Since he tends to be an enternal multiverse guy.