Building a flagellum (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, June 28, 2012, 15:04 (4532 days ago) @ xeno6696

You mistake chance. Evolution doesn't happen by chance, its governed by natural laws. If I expose a culture of e. coli to antibiotics, some will survive. Was it by chance?-It was an adaptation by some of the e coli, not evolution, just as the finches adapt their beaks. 
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> The flagellum argument is flawed (and always will be) because you're arguing only with knowledge based on (today's) organisms. It boils down to "I can't think of a way this happened without magic." Akin to what would happen if you took a mayan tribesman and from 900ce and transplanted him into Manhattan. Of course its complex, it's had 200 years of constant development!-Flagella are in archaea.
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> The other point is that it has been repeatedly demonstrated that life creates new functions purely by what it comes in contact with. Nothing appears from thin air!-Yes, epigenetics. How did that capacity develop? It didn't. It was there from the beginning or life would not have survived.
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> Finally, a last bit that goes back to the antibiotic point:
> Immune systems work against new unknowns in a manner consistent with unintelligence: it's a shotgun approach. "Let's make every combination of antibody we can and see which one works."-Yes, explain the development of the immune response to me. Nothing Darwinian about it.
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> If you think about how primitive this really is--really think about it, you'll understand where I'm driving. The memory of the immune system is quite complex, but the initial strategy is pure, primitive, reactionism. It's also combinatorial. -You are supporting me.
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> This brings me back: IDs only argument is against abiogenesis.
Agreed that it is a mighty argument