Building a flagellum (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Thursday, June 28, 2012, 12:36 (4532 days ago) @ David Turell

http://youtu.be/Ey7Emmddf7Y
> > > Are you amazed?
> > 
> > Yes I am. I have watched this several times.
> > It also amazes me that someone would somehow think this supports ID
> 
> Do you think something as complex as this could happen totally by chance? I don't and that is how we differ. This implies design and purpose. Aimlessness, no!-You mistake chance. Evolution doesn't happen by chance, its governed by natural laws. If I expose a culture of e. coli to antibiotics, some will survive. Was it by chance? -The flagellum argument is flawed (and always will be) because you're arguing only with knowledge based on (today's) organisms. It boils down to "I can't think of a way this happened without magic." Akin to what would happen if you took a mayan tribesman and from 900ce and transplanted him into Manhattan. Of course its complex, it's had 200 years of constant development!-The other point is that it has been repeatedly demonstrated that life creates new functions purely by what it comes in contact with. Nothing appears from thin air!-Finally, a last bit that goes back to the antibiotic point:
Immune systems work against new unknowns in a manner consistent with unintelligence: it's a shotgun approach. "Let's make every combination of antibody we can and see which one works."-If you think about how primitive this really is--really think about it, you'll understand where I'm driving. The memory of the immune system is quite complex, but the initial strategy is pure, primitive, reactionism. It's also combinatorial. -This brings me back: IDs only argument is against abiogenesis.

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